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Shorter version: "We have to kill the babies to save the children."*

It's always "for the children," isn't it?

Even abortion is "for the children" now.

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*Reminds me of "We had to destroy the village to save it."

Bill I think you're missing the point on this one. Abstinence only education promotes ignorance. People assume parents are teaching their kids about sex so they say sex education should be left up to the parents. There are many others who would prefer not to ever have to talk to their children about sex and are relieved to have sex education at school. Ignorance is not bliss and not teaching kids and teen-agers about sex leads to unwanted consequences - higher rates of teenage pregnancies and teen abortions. The "Abstinence Only" school of sex education is led by pro-life advocates and that is Celsi's point.

"Abstinence only education promotes ignorance." That statement in itself promotes ignorance. In addition, the data quoted in the above posts is flawed.

As an OB/GYN and as the medical director of a Pregnancy Support Center with county wide abstience education, I can tell you first hand that pregancy rate have dropped over 50% over the course of the past 6 years. This data has been replicated nationwide, though spun in ways I don't understand to support the abortion industry as can be seen above.

Giving children options that include sex is not only unwise, it is criminal. By endorsing and encouraging sexual experimentation, we open the door to higher teen pregnancies, increased abortion rates, and higher sexually transmitted disease rates.

I just found it ironic that she would credit the pro-choice movement for saving lives, given the pro-choice movement also promotes something that has killed 48 million people in this country since 1973 and about 45 million people around the world every year.

Bill:

You're wrong. You missed it. And I don't think in your head you actually understand.

I'm a republican conservative.I know I was always taught to use protection.The reason I was told that was so I wouldnt catch a STD,PREGNANCY ect. But I feel if you can make the choice to play with fire and get burned,LIVE WITH THE BLISTER! Its Being an adult and responsible.Even had I been in the situation,abortion could never be a choice.I know,"its not a mans choice",true and a good thing to,I've encountered more pro life men than women.I think it says alot about a womans moral make-up and paternal instincts when they go the easy way out.

Jeff Williams.
If you think that abortion is the "easy" way out, I would like to invite you to go and spend some time in your local abortion clinic as a volunteer. Women agonize over this decision, mostly because of oblivious comments like the ones you just made. After the procedure is over, she must live with her decision for the rest of her life, and these types of ridiculous statements only drive home the stigma that women face. That being said, your comment was incredibly uninformed, as are the women who lament over such a decision. First term abortions involve the removal (by vacuum) of tissue. A clump of tissue, in fact, which does not have the ability to feel pain nor process any other sensation. So why do you feel the need to guilt trip any female passersby? Control? Get over yourself. Do a little bit of research before you come here touting your righteous nonsense. The reproducing women in this country do not care what people who can not bear children think. Taking the "easy" way out would be to go to BabiesRUs and create a gift registry because you can't afford clothes for your child. Or perhaps you prefer the variety of persons who just sit on welfare into perpetuity, exploiting the system because the just "love" their children so much. Get over your love affair with the embryo...the non-feeling, non-thinking, non-heart-beat-having embryo which resembles a wet cotton ball on extraction... and start thinking about the children involved. Now who's selfish?